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hey. we ran out of time for the ridiculist tonight. i'm sorry about that. we'll be back in an hour. at 10:00 p.m. eastern the new panel discussion show. "piers morgan live" starts now. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. six days and counting. the shutdown show down and the fauxlibuster happening now on the senate floor. >> mr. conley was an honors
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let's call it cruise control. listen to senator ted cruz. hard to believe it if you don't hear it for yourself. >> i will credit my father. he invent ed -- this wasn't for the restaurant, but he invent ed green eggs and ham. some time ago i tweeted a speech that ashton kutcher gave. just as a consumer. i'm a big fan of eating white castle burgers. i do not like them, sam i am. i do not like green egg s and ham. >> dana bash, amongst other things he may have included can we include magic mushrooms? >> i don't think so. i think pretty safe to say that didn't happen. in all fairness, he is trying to buy time by doing things like reading his two young daughters' bedtime stories via c-span which is why he read "green egg s and ham." he is talking about the substance of obamacare and why
he thinks it is bad. he's reading tweets from supporters in texas and from around the country. look, the bottom line is this is by many accounts a fool'serrer errand. he knows this is a long speech, not technically a speech that will delay anything. a lot of people in his own party think this is just splitting the party, diluting the message. it's something i asked him about yesterday. senator, what's your end game here? you knew from the start you couldn't defund obamacare. >> with respect i disagree with the premise. i believe we can and if we stand together we will defund obamacare. this was always a multi step process. >> now, piers, the people who are supporting him, that applaud him say this shows he has determination and he's the only guy who will stand up to the big bad senate institution and washington as you shall.
those who can count and know he doesn't have the vote think that just means he's delusional. >> even senior members of your own party led by john mccain and others lambaste you as wasting time, doesn't it park you into the ridiculous category? >> not if you are someone like ted cruz who won in an upset against an establishment republican in texas. he made it his mission to rock the boat and not let go of the obamacare issue. and h he really is fuelling this in terms of perhaps his own future ambitions, maybe the white house. and others. it is hurting him relationship-wise. he never had the greatest relationships anyway. it's not why he's here. we have heard fellow republicans call him a fraud and worse. today, he's not somebody known
for his humor. he had a jab at them with a little bit of a joke. watch this. >> this fight isn't about personality. look, most persons could not give a flying flip about a bunch of politicians in washington. who cares? almost all of us are in cheap suits with bad hair cuts. >> could have been talking about himself. >> you said that, not me. >> let's cut to the quick here about obamacare. many people find it very complicated, don't really understand the issues. the viewers at home trying to get to grips with what this latest debate is about. crystallize it i in simple terms for me. >> right. the big thing right now is looking ahead to one week from today, october 1, next tuesday which is when the exchanges open in most states around the country. that means this is going to be the place where people can go to
purchase insurance. if they don't have it. maybe they will do it through their employer. that's really the first open enrollment as people in the u.s. know with their employers. the next big date is january 1 which is two things. one is that's the date where most people in this country will be required to have some kind of health insurance or pay a penalty for not having it. that really is, if people were watching, bill clinton and president obama trying to explain the benefits of this. that really was one of the key things they were hitting on today, piers. that this is, in fact, the president said this is the only industrialized country that doesn't have the kind of health care that it uh should. so this will require that. lastly, i think what will be interesting to people and they should remember on that day, january 1, insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping people or taking people because they have pre-existing conditions. those are some of the things people should look for and the news you can use vein. the flip side of what we are
hearing and seeing ted cruz say on the floor is these are losing propositions. they are making small businesses bleed money. people are being dropped from insurance companies and doctors are retiring early and on and on. there is a doom's day feeling from ted cruz , he says, voicing concerns of constituents. either trying hard at the white house. you will see the president to do it this week to have an enl indication campaign. they are not there yet. now a little shutdown show down of our own. ben ferguson, let me try to get my head around this. the president tried to bring in millions more americans who wouldn't have qualified for health insurance into the health insurance game. what's wrong with that? >> there is nothing wrong with that. the problem is obamacare try to fix the system for people that
didn't need a fix. it is too big, too costly. the congressional budget office said it could be upwards of 80% more than we were told when it was passed. the other issue is look at nancy pelosi, one of the best things she said in her career was we won't know what's in it uh until we pass it. she wasn't lying. afc it was passed we found out a lot of things in the bill hurting small businesses. we have hospitals like vanderbilt hospital laying off 1,000 people because of obamacare. that's a hospital. if the hospital has to do that there is a good sign that this bill is not exactly that great for everyone. that's the point he's making tonight on the floor of the senate. >> it i's been a disaster according to ben ferguson. your thoughts? >> it's way too early to decide if anything is a disaster. we are just entering the imple member tags phase. there is no evidence it's a disaster. we have to look at it. ben is pointing out out lie rs.
you can look at vender built. >> 1,000 is not some. >> millions is also not some. millions of people will be covered with pre-existing conditions and millions can cover their children beyond 25. millions of people will have a better standard of living than any over nation in the world except the united states. i take the millions over thousands. icon seed that there can be tweaks done to obamacare. the problem is people like ted cruz who are doing nothing but political theater are doing nothing to advantage the republicans who want to make tweaks to the bill. >> ben, it's almost worse than that. you could argue that what cruz is doing is damaging his own party. what he's creating is the old splinter now between the old te tea party and the body politic of the republican party. that doesn't help anyone. it won't help you win the next election. >> let's look at the people that are saying that. one, john mccain. >> gop. >> two, lindsey graham. three, you have other leaders like that and the point that i
think ted cruz and many other conservatives like myself are saying is those guys have been failures over the last five years. john mccain hasn't had a single victory. yet he's acting as if h he's leading on these issues. the point is for most conservatives we are not going to wait for you to die for us the to start fighting again for conservative values. that's what ted cruz was elected on. >> okay, wait -- >> lindsey graham -- >> let me finish this. john mccain and lindsey graham have literally have zero victories in five years including when he ran for president and got his brains beat in. if that's a guy criticizing, i like my options. >> let's play a clip here from the cgi today where bill clinton, former president, interviewed barack obama, the current president about obamacare. listen to what president obama had to say. >> this is a little political, this whole obamacare thing. what you have had is an
unprecedented effort effort you have seen ramp up over the past month or soment those who opposed the idea of universal health care in the first place and fought this thing tooth and nail through congress and through the courts and so forth have been trying to scare and discourage people from getting a good deal. >> that's what many people feel, isn't it? this is just basically another attempt to get rid of president obama using -- a lot of people most suffering in america will benefit from obamacare. >> that's right. this political stuff that ted cruz is engaging in will do nothing to help even people who agree with him like ben ferguson. there is no benefit to this. there is no potential political victory in what ted cruz is doing. >> then why are you so nervous? why are you fighting hard if it's not a big deal. >> hold on, ben. ben, ben, hold on. >> but, marc. >> no, ben. let me finish what i'm saying before you disagree. i think it is a huge deal in a
member of congress is wasting 30 hours reading "green eggs and ham" when there are real problems in the united states. i don't think it is a threat to obamacare. he doesn't have the boat votes. we are on national television would you say ted cruz has the votes. do you think it's possible he has the votes to win? >> i think it's funny the hypocrisy. >> can you answer the question? >> i'm answering it now. listen to the words coming out of my mouth. none of you, either of you, criticized democrats when they wasted time for weeks on end trying to get a gun bill with passed everyone knew wasn't going to pass. you said it was noble, right, just. you knew and said it here they don't have the votes. the thing is -- >> ben -- >> the point is -- >> you can't use that analogy. calm down. we are talking about obamacare which is primarily aimed at bring americans into the health
care umbrella who couldn't otherwise afford it. in terms of guns you can hardly draw that as a good analogy. the fact congress fails to listen to the people when 90% of americans wanted background checks and they couldn't pass that, that's not a comparative thing for this debate. you demean your argument. >> i'm not demeaning it. the majority of americans aren't happy with obamacare the way it was en acted. the majority of americans believe it should be changed. if you look at the polls. >> but they are advocating changes. >> look at the public opinion. >> if you look piece by piece at obamacare whether it's preexisting conditions, age limits, people like the items in obamacare. ted cruz isn't fighting for tweaking. he's fighting to defund it and is willing to destabilize the country to do it. >> there is an important point. the reason he's fighting to defund is because the democrats including president obama who was out there today defending a bill, let's not forget, that's already been passed. that's how vulnerable it is.
that's how many people aren't happy with it. the president has to defend a bill that was passed a couple years ago. a bill democrats wouldn't mention because they were afraid to be associated with obamacare. that's how vulnerable it is. >> okay. we have to leave it there. i will make predictions here. one is that ted cruz will never stop talking. secondly, he will not succeed. there will be no government shutdown. third, he will be the new sarah palin. and the tea party will have emerged glorious again to take on its own party. b thank you both so much. not to be outdone hillary clinton took a shot today. >> if they want to shut the government down, that's on their head and their responsibility. if they go even further which is deeply distressing, and for the
first time lead our country into default on our obligations, that's not just partisan politics. that's going at the heart of our credibility around the world. not just our economic leadership but our political leadership. i hope our friends on the other side of the aisle and it's a minority but a noisy minority, understands this is not right and this is bad politics for them to do. >> hillary clinton today. tomorrow i will sit down with bill clinton. an in depth conversation tomorrow. you can see more from hill uh clint on sanjay gupta, md this weekend. the president of iran says there is no threat to the world from his country. we'll ask tony blair more next. and do kids with pellet guns
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american people i bring peace and friendship from iranians. >> joining me now is tony blair, former british prime minister. tony blair, good to see you. >> thanks, piers. >> let's talk iran off the off the top of my head. clearly there is a move by the iranians to be at least slightly more friendly on this trip than we are used to with ahmadinejad and so on. how much do we read into this? how serious do you think they are? are we headed into a new relationship? >> the honest answer is we don't know now but it is worth testing. the sanctions definitely have really harmed iran. the oil experts halved, inflation has doubled. they have lost in some estimates $100 billion as a result of sanctions. the sanctions made an impact and the iranian election wasn't open but nonetheless the election of
president rouhani was an indication that the people were also pushing the regime for change. on the other hand, we've got to do this with our eyes open and be cognizant that the last few years have seen the onward march of the program. it's sensible to test it but test it with the implicit stick in the background. >> there is obviously a clear link between iran and syria. many people believe a lot of iranian resource and money is behind president assad and what he h's up to. put that link into perspective for me. we see what's happening in syria. president obama has taken a position now of not having military action at the moment. you have written you think there should have been military action. in light of all that's going on is the president's position now the correct one going forward? >> yes. i think it is right, given the offer to yield up the chemical weapons that syria has. if they are prepared to do d'oh
that and it is done on a verifiable basis that's plainly better for the world's security than to do a punitive attack with chemical weapons. >> would you trust president assad? would you trust vladimir putin? >> we should be extremely cautious again on the process of verification. whether it's with iran or syria, it's the results that count. i'm not particularly interested in whether we did it elegantly or in elegantly. there is talk about the style -- that's not relevant to me. what's relevant is the substance. if syria gives up the chemical weapons program that's a plus. if iran gave up the nuclear weapons ambition that would be huge for the region. we have to be mindful that this is a regime . millions b have been displaced. a hundred thousand died. they were prepared to use chemical weapons. they are still engaged in what most people regard as a fiction saying it wasn't them. it was the rebels.
the iranian regime have been clear in their nuclear weapons ambition for a long time. for example you have shortly the international atomic energy agency will have a meeting in vienna. recently a couple of weeks ago they said iran wasn't fully cooperating. this would be an opportunity to demonstrate cooperation. >> in terms of action that didn't happen against syria many think it will happen with the british parliament voting against it persuaded president obama he couldn't go it alone without the british so he went to congress perhaps knowing he would lose. had you been british prime minister would you have pushed very hard to do military action at that time? >> i uh would have pushed to be with america as an ally at that moment. it's important the u.s. and uk stick together. that's what i thought. again, i think particularly
after being through long painful campaigns, afghanistan, iraq, it's natural that the politicians want the support of their parliamentary bodies. but the bottom line, again, is you can't have the use of chemical weapons happening without some reaction. now, if we can -- if we manage to get the syrians to give this up, fine. if that doesn't happen that's why the security council resolution is important. we've got to be prepared to enforce the will of the -- >> there is a lot resting on trust, isn't there? >> yeah. >> these aren't the most trustworthy people to do business with. you have vladimir putin with his self-interest. president assad with his sefl self-interest and a civil war raging. this may take years to unearth chemical weapons and have them delivered and so on. it seems to many people that america and britain and other countries that have taken decisions on this have shown
weakness when they should have shown more strength. you're an interesting guy to talk to b about this. you have been on the receiving end of a lot of vitriol. it turned out saddam didn't have weapons you thought he did. here assad does. no action has been taken other than, well, we trust you to hand them over. >> in relation to syria, hooefr here is what i think people find difficult both sides of the atlantic. you look at the assad regime, the numbers killed, the way they are brutalizing the population and the that's something to be condemned. people look at the opposition forces, see the increasing influence of jihadist groups and al qaeda associated with people. they say, where are the good guys? personally, i think there are good guys in the middle east now. they are the modern minded and moderate people. i believe whether it is in egypt, syria, yemen right over
the region you can see a solid, if disorganized majority in favor of the types of things we would want to see. right now i think people understand, particularly after iraq and afghanistan, you get involved in these situations. and then you are involved with ex the treemist groups, whether those sponsored by iran on the one side or al qaeda on the other. then people worry. what are we getting into? can we get out? what's the cost? personally, i have taken this all the way through. i think there is a big battle going on. it is an ideological struggle between radical islam and the more moderate and modern minded people. it is relevant to the middle east but not ent centered solely in the middle east. we have to take a side in it. >> we have seen exactly where it laid this week with the attack in kenya. again it was like an al qaeda affiliate, al shabaab committed an appalling atrocity. it may have been home grown terrorists, perhaps from america
or britain. we don't know for sure. but it is looking that way. as we saw with the boston bombing at the marathon, this radicalization of younger home grown terrorists may be the future. how do you deal with it? if you are a world leader now, how do you deal with that? you had this when you were the british prime minister. >> right. it's the problem. that's the difficulty we had in afghanistan and iraq. the trouble with these people is they are prepared to fight without hesitation, kill without mercy and die without regret. in any situation where they are involved they are going to be tough to beat. in my view you have to beat them. look at pakistan where the christians were slaughtered in a terrorist outrage. i can point to examples in central asia, the far east, the whole of subsaharan africa. this is a global phenomenon. the way to deal with it is partly through security measures but also, one of the reasons i started the foundation about
religious interfaith, you have to educate. we should be making a major part of the foreign policy now to say to countries we'll educate our young people to a tolerant and respectful view of others. you've got to do the same. what is happening is these young people are being radicalized in formal and informal education systems. it's not abating this. it's growing. because they are prepared to commit atrocities. >> thank you very much. next a school throw it is book at two 7th grade boys using an air gun on the front lawn. has the school gone too far? the boys join me exclusively next. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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two boys in virginia are suspended from middle school for the entire year because police say they were shooting an air gun while waiting for the bus. the 7th graders i say they were far from the bus and on private property. the school board said it was a threat to student safety. joining us are the students. welcome to you. we'll start with the boys. what were you doing and describe what this gun is. >> it's an air soft gun meant for shooting at a target. that's what we were doing -- shooting at a target. >> is it a toy? >> yes, sir. >> okay . aiden, definitely a toy i?
i have never used one before. people that have tell me they fire pellets but it i classifies really as a toy. >> yes. >> do you think anything you were doing was wrong, aiden? >> well, yes. but i don't think it uh has to do anything with school. >> what do you think you were doing that was wrong? >> well, we were shooting airsoft guns when we were not supposed to because our parents didn't want us to. >> let's bring in your uh parents. your son obviously got a hefty punishment from the school here. tell me, first of all, did now know he had this toy gun? what is your view of it? >> i purchased the gun. i purchased the toy. i just purchased it and he wasn't supposed to be playing with it at the time. i i put it away. he's in trouble with me. and in serious trouble with the
school. >> do you have a problem with him using that particular toy gun? >> oh, no. no. it's a toy. it's actually a fun game. >> okay. let's bring in tim clark. your son obviously has been heavily punished here. what's your view about what the school has done? >> i'm just amazed that they feel they are more suitable to discipline my child than i am. i feel like they feel they are better parent than i am. >> i don't think it's really that. they said in a statement from the principal, matthew delaney. he said other children were involved. he said several students verified they were hit by pellets and had marks. in one instance a child was only ten feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was still hit. another child was hit in the back during a previous incident. the child was shot in the arm
and head during the incident. did any of the kids complain to the school about what happened? >> no. they did not. they made a plan to show up at the house with the sole intention of playing the game of chasing each other around with it. every single one of the boys was hit at one time or another. they thought it was a game. they thought it was all right because they weren't on school property or on school time. >> the school also said from the chairman of the school board of virginia beach he said this wasn't kahlid's first infraction. you signed a waiver and chose to make it a public conversation we are share this is not his first infrabs. he's been disciplined six times in less than 18 months for increasingly aggressive behavior including harassment, bullying and fighting that resulted in
injuries. were you aware of the incidents? what is your reaction to the school making that public? >> i never signed a waiver for them to go public. i'm just appalled that they enforce bullying and here they are i attacking my son. i couldn't believe it. when i got the same number, that's actually a tweet. i never signed anything that they could release to the public. i'm aware that my son has had some incidents, but that doesn't mean he deserves this harsh punishment. he deserves to go to school. he doesn't deserve to go to another school besides his own school. >> khalid, six times in 18 months you have been in trouble at school for, as they say, harassment, bullying and fighting. have you been a naughty boy? >> i don't know how you feel
about being a naughty boy. i do know that i have been in trouble in recent times. >> why is that, do you think? >> because i have a little bit of a temper. >> are you working to try to deal with that? >> yes, sir. >> aiden, are you working to deal with your -- i don't know what your problem is. you don't have the same record. have you been naughty? >> yes. >> so uh you both accept you have gone too far, right? >> yes. >> you're both going to be better boys and hope to get back to school as soon as possible? >> yes. >> here's my view of this. i have had a strong view about guns in america and gun control as most people who watch the show know. in this case, i can't help thinking the school has gone too far. this was a toy gun. this is not the same thing. when i was a kid i used to play with toy guns, cap guns and
whatever. they can't kill people. so i think you have both been harshly treated. i think the school should rethink this. khalid you need to get your behavior in a better order but they have gone a little bit far in this case. i think you should go back to the school to try to bash some common sense into this debate. in the end kids in america should be allowed to be kids. >> yeah, they should. >> the gun control campaign i uh run doesn't extend itself to harmless pellet toy guns. thank you for joining me. good luck in getting back to school. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> up next, picture perfect performance but for years they harbored a dark secret. tonight the 5 browns speak about identifying their father as their abuser. ♪ with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please.
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we have had the same training our whole lives. it's hard to tell. we play differently. >> deondro, you don't agree. are the girls better? >> no. >> i'm kidding. >> oh, i don't know. i don't think so. some nights i feel like maybe they're better than me. that's the nice thing. they inspire me to be better. >> all my brothers inspire me to do is beat them at anything. i don't care if out's monopoly or whatever. >> don't start on board games. >> sports, too. >> who is the most competitive? >> gregory is competitive. >> in board games. in sports and stuff. outside of that. >> you're hugely pop already. incredibly successful. everything was going great and you got hit by an awful tragedy that must have blighted your lives for a while. talk the me through what happened with your father. it turned out he had been abusing all three of the girls, his daughters. an awful thing.
about the worst thing you can imagine. the moment that you all realized what had been going on, how did you deal with it as siblings? >> the moment i realized that my sisters had been abused and it wasn't just me it was probably the worst moment of my life. i remember feeling sick to my stomach. at the same time there was a camaraderie like we understood each other. a kinship that we could get through it together. >> melody, incredibly painful to be abused full stop. to have it be done by your father, somebody who was managing you as a group. the worst imaginable thing for you. he's now in prison. that horrible chapter in your lives is closed for now. how do you feel about it? >> you know, time is so important. i have had a couple of years now to deal wit, process it. we have been through counseling
as a family. i feel like finally i am able to heal with time. my sisters have chosen to start a foundation. that's empowering for them. for me, i have chosen to just live my own life and heal in my own time and be with my husband in nature. those are the things that heal me. >> what are your feelings toward your father? >> obviously they are your parent. so you're still going to love them to a certain extent. it's difficult over the years. based off decisions he made, it directly influences the rest of your life. there are forever consequences to the decisions he made. i choose to try to focus on my life, my husband, my daughter, and the happy things. playing music together as brothers and sisters, touring the world. those are what make me happen. >> do any of you have contact? >> no. >> what about your mother? let me bring one of the boys in. ryan, i haven't talked to you yet. how do you feel about your
mother? how does she feel about what happened to your father? >> i have minimal contact with my mom, just to check up on her. >> is it the same for all of you? >> it's just disappointing that she hasn't really felt -- it's been -- she hasn't been terribly supportive of us. that's disappointing to us. >> heartbreaking, right? you guys were oblivious to what was going on. in some ways it's been harrowing for you. this is your father who was abusing your sisters. he was your manager of the group. your mother, clearly now have a poor relationship with her, too. it could have wrecked many families. amazing that you guys have each other and managed to come through this. do you feel you can ever reconcile with your mother or your uh father properly? >> um, it's hard to say. i think when it comes to forgiveness and relationships that's a personal thing for each of us. definitely time plays a factor in that.
you know, like ryan said, i am in some contact with my mother. i'm disappointed in a lot of the decisions she's made recently. i guess only time can tell whether -- you know, if they are willing to come to us and really make an effort, who knows? >> have never apologized to you? >> i think you feel when somebody is truly penitent there would be times where if you apologize once but your actions speak a different language then it's not a genuine apology. genuine penitence and restituti restitution, we would be able to really feel. we are open to that. it hasn't been shown yet. >> let's take a break. let's come back and talk about happier things. your brilliant new album you signed for me which makes it easy to remember who you are. let's talk about that, music and why you love it so much. ♪
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♪ the five browns doing what they do best and they're back with me now. let's talk about music. you've got this great concert coming up at carnegie hall. you've never played it before. how exciting is this? let's talk about carnegie hall, deandre. >> it's amazing to be able to live our dream and perform in carnegie hall. we have a new album that's coming out that was a dream project that we've wanted to do our whole performing lives. so it's kind of exciting to see all these things that we've hoped come true. >> ryan, how much has it been a healing thing for you as a group of five siblings, would you say? >> music is a healing for all of us, i think, individually and as a group. and after every single concert i feel like i grow closer to my siblings. we're all really good friends, too. we get along, have a great time
on the road. >> what if in the middle of carnegie hall someone does a bum note? nothing happens? is there like a terrible inquest afterwards? >> we get the crusties from deandra. she'll be like what are you doing? one night actually i got a smile from her. i must have done something really well. she gave me a smile. >> hasn't given me one all night. that must be a rare thing. the power of faith, you're all very god-fearing and religious as i'd expect coming from utah. more mons obviously. how important has that been? i interviewed rick warren last week and was incredibly moved by the power of his prayer and his faith to what had happened in his life. has that been equally help follow to you guys? >> our faith has been so important to us. i feel like our faith and spirituality bonds us more than the music. especially through the trials
we've been through to know there's a place to find peace and hope. which is when you go through the difficult times to be able to feel that has been very uplifting. >> tell me quickly about the foundation. you two set this up? >> the foundation for survivors of abuse was set up by desiree and i. it's important to us that people have the timeline to be able to heal when they're ready. and with the laws and statutes of limitations how they are, sometimes that is not the case. and so for us, we're trying to raise awareness about the issue of sexual abuse, and hopefully our plan is to make it to washington and to start lobbying on behalf of victims everywhere who come up against the statute of limitations. >> good for you. the five browns will be performing at carnegie hall october 18th. you can download their new album, rite of spring. a cracking album. you are very talented, i have to say. the cd is available october 29th. for more information on the foundation check out survivingabuse.org. thanks for coming in and best of